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Robert
Visual FoxPro forum
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lumberjack
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Hello from South Africa
Hi all,
I am Johan Nel from South Africa. My Xbase career started off in Dbase III+ way back in 1986. In 1987 I discovered Clipper Summer 87, and here I am due to that root. Clipper 5.0 came along and we were happy with the implemented crude version of "OpenSource". The XBase commands were demystified and we all knew exactly what was called under the hood to make USE (DbCloseArea), USE <dbf> (DbUseArea), etc. happen, and the first Classes was part of the language e.g. TBrowse and we all oTB:Skip[ping]() happily through our DBF data interface implementations. The Class implementation details was published and soon we were quite Class(y) with our OOP Clipper programs. Life was good...
During the the last NT-Clipper DevCon (1992) in SA, we saw the first of Aspen, codename for Clipper for Windows. Then a bombshell was dropped... MicroSoft purchases FoxPro... We should not be worried, Nantucket will keep on supporting Clipper and ensure it stays ahead of the Xbase pack... Computer Associates CA-Clipper 5.3 TechniCon was held the following year... It seems we safe... Then the industry started changing, Delphi came along, Visual-Basic, MS-Access and CA-Visual Objects were a nightmare to work with. I stuck it out with Clipper till 2000 when I finally moved to VO 2.3, the newsgroups indicated it is stable. Robert came along on the Development team when CA licensed VO maintenance to Grafx, it became almost like the Clipper days, except we did not had any conferences anymore... Only a few Clipper heads left in SA. I kept my loyalty, went onto Vulcan.NET (2009) and here I am, a X# developer with reasonable knowledge of Xbase programming in .NET.
When the announcement was made that X# will start working on support for the FoxPro language syntax, I started a "self" initiated project browsing the VFP forums and tell them there is hope... It worked, I have a community "DevTeam" going, we transfer our knowledge (VFP<->X#), write small applications to hopefully assist VFP users to make a transition as smooth as possible. A small team dedicated to make X# work with first hand knowledge of VFP and X#.
So when you reach this forum and read these messages. Know we are here to support you with our knowledge base of VFP and X#. Make use of it, and soon you will be able to provide support in the X# Core (general) forums.
A warm and happy welcome to all VFP members joining, I am sure you will feel the warmth we always had.
Happy X#ing the XBase.NET wave!
I am Johan Nel from South Africa. My Xbase career started off in Dbase III+ way back in 1986. In 1987 I discovered Clipper Summer 87, and here I am due to that root. Clipper 5.0 came along and we were happy with the implemented crude version of "OpenSource". The XBase commands were demystified and we all knew exactly what was called under the hood to make USE (DbCloseArea), USE <dbf> (DbUseArea), etc. happen, and the first Classes was part of the language e.g. TBrowse and we all oTB:Skip[ping]() happily through our DBF data interface implementations. The Class implementation details was published and soon we were quite Class(y) with our OOP Clipper programs. Life was good...
During the the last NT-Clipper DevCon (1992) in SA, we saw the first of Aspen, codename for Clipper for Windows. Then a bombshell was dropped... MicroSoft purchases FoxPro... We should not be worried, Nantucket will keep on supporting Clipper and ensure it stays ahead of the Xbase pack... Computer Associates CA-Clipper 5.3 TechniCon was held the following year... It seems we safe... Then the industry started changing, Delphi came along, Visual-Basic, MS-Access and CA-Visual Objects were a nightmare to work with. I stuck it out with Clipper till 2000 when I finally moved to VO 2.3, the newsgroups indicated it is stable. Robert came along on the Development team when CA licensed VO maintenance to Grafx, it became almost like the Clipper days, except we did not had any conferences anymore... Only a few Clipper heads left in SA. I kept my loyalty, went onto Vulcan.NET (2009) and here I am, a X# developer with reasonable knowledge of Xbase programming in .NET.
When the announcement was made that X# will start working on support for the FoxPro language syntax, I started a "self" initiated project browsing the VFP forums and tell them there is hope... It worked, I have a community "DevTeam" going, we transfer our knowledge (VFP<->X#), write small applications to hopefully assist VFP users to make a transition as smooth as possible. A small team dedicated to make X# work with first hand knowledge of VFP and X#.
So when you reach this forum and read these messages. Know we are here to support you with our knowledge base of VFP and X#. Make use of it, and soon you will be able to provide support in the X# Core (general) forums.
A warm and happy welcome to all VFP members joining, I am sure you will feel the warmth we always had.
Happy X#ing the XBase.NET wave!
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dcrozier
Visual FoxPro forum
Hi there,
Dave Crozier here, long time developer and thank you Johan for making the Profox group aware of this project's existence and advances.
My XBase experience dates back to DBASE II around 1980 on Apple and IBM PC's from where I moved on to Foxplus, Foxbase+, Clipper (all versions) as well as a very brief but not impressed period with Visual Objects before moving on to Foxpro V3 and all the subsequent versions.
I did monitor the Alaska software Xbase projects but have concentrated most of my time on Visual Foxpro 9 which is still a great product and runs quick and fast ... like a fox as well as development in C# using Microsoft Studio products.
My, how your project seems to be progressing and in the right direction I may say so I am very interested on all fronts as the amount of legacy code we have here is immense (in excess of 5 million lines).
Thanks for the invite and best of luck to you all and the project!
Dave Crozier
Dave Crozier here, long time developer and thank you Johan for making the Profox group aware of this project's existence and advances.
My XBase experience dates back to DBASE II around 1980 on Apple and IBM PC's from where I moved on to Foxplus, Foxbase+, Clipper (all versions) as well as a very brief but not impressed period with Visual Objects before moving on to Foxpro V3 and all the subsequent versions.
I did monitor the Alaska software Xbase projects but have concentrated most of my time on Visual Foxpro 9 which is still a great product and runs quick and fast ... like a fox as well as development in C# using Microsoft Studio products.
My, how your project seems to be progressing and in the right direction I may say so I am very interested on all fronts as the amount of legacy code we have here is immense (in excess of 5 million lines).
Thanks for the invite and best of luck to you all and the project!
Dave Crozier
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lumberjack
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Visual FoxPro forum
Hi Dave,
I am sure we will talk a lot in the future on the forums. Please do not hesitate to ask if you unsure about anything. Hope to see you "testing" some X# code!
Welcome and thank you for the nice words.dcrozier wrote:Hi there,
Dave Crozier here, long time developer and thank you Johan for making the Profox group aware of this project's existence and advances. Thanks for the invite and best of luck to you all and the project!
I am sure we will talk a lot in the future on the forums. Please do not hesitate to ask if you unsure about anything. Hope to see you "testing" some X# code!
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dcrozier
Visual FoxPro forum
I'll try and introduce more of the Profox group members and hopefully build a thriving community.
Dave
Dave
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lumberjack
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Visual FoxPro forum
Thank you, I can't wait! And I suspect Matt Slay too... He feels a bit lonely heredcrozier wrote:I'll try and introduce more of the Profox group members and hopefully build a thriving community.
If you have some time, you welcome to request permission to join our little community project assisting the DevTeam to speed up the VFP language support.
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CharlieDenver
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- Joined: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:16 am
Visual FoxPro forum
Hello, and I'm very pleased to be here ....
I came here via Foxite with a prety similar story - Late 80's DBase - Foxbase - FoxPro DOS - VFP 9 , and still developing daily using VFP 9 with MS-SQL Data, yes, even today in 2019 !
Having little to no experience with anythng else I'm unsure how this journey will unfold/end - The time has now come for me to move some apps forward in a bigish way and I've been looking at Lianja and Alaska - My problem (I Think) is not only the App side , but I use the command window everyday to manipulate data and have done for 30 years and I'm not at all sure if I'm going to be able to do that with anything other than VFP - then there is the APP develolpment journey too. (I'm as worried there)
I strip data appart with small programs on the fly, I can do this with a vast array of VFP functions, this is all very much a changing dynamic and I have to expect the unexpected. It's so quick and simple with VFP
Given that I can't evaluate this at the moment, I can't work out if XSharp is my best option - I really want it to be - that's the issue - I can't find anything else for sure
I would be only to glad to contribute via the FOX Program but I think I need a dialogue as to what I can expect in terms of my command window work, I mean am I barking up the wrong tree?
If anybody can help me with this I would be most grateful
Many Thanks
Phillip
I came here via Foxite with a prety similar story - Late 80's DBase - Foxbase - FoxPro DOS - VFP 9 , and still developing daily using VFP 9 with MS-SQL Data, yes, even today in 2019 !
Having little to no experience with anythng else I'm unsure how this journey will unfold/end - The time has now come for me to move some apps forward in a bigish way and I've been looking at Lianja and Alaska - My problem (I Think) is not only the App side , but I use the command window everyday to manipulate data and have done for 30 years and I'm not at all sure if I'm going to be able to do that with anything other than VFP - then there is the APP develolpment journey too. (I'm as worried there)
I strip data appart with small programs on the fly, I can do this with a vast array of VFP functions, this is all very much a changing dynamic and I have to expect the unexpected. It's so quick and simple with VFP
Given that I can't evaluate this at the moment, I can't work out if XSharp is my best option - I really want it to be - that's the issue - I can't find anything else for sure
I would be only to glad to contribute via the FOX Program but I think I need a dialogue as to what I can expect in terms of my command window work, I mean am I barking up the wrong tree?
If anybody can help me with this I would be most grateful
Many Thanks
Phillip
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lumberjack
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Visual FoxPro forum
Hi Phillip,
Welcome aboard and happy X#ing the XBase.NET world!
Welcome, I am sure just been here already mean something. We will gladly assist.CharlieDenver wrote:Hello, and I'm very pleased to be here ....
A lot of us are using SqlServer as backend, so please feel free to share some of your code and we will assist in making the migration.I came here via Foxite with a prety similar story - Late 80's DBase - Foxbase - FoxPro DOS - VFP 9 , and still developing daily using VFP 9 with MS-SQL Data, yes, even today in 2019 !
We here to help. If we as community cannot help, we have the DevTeam backing us up. You will see a lot of messages of Robert/Chris jumping in (they are people just like us and are really helpful. You have an almost direct line to the developers themselves).Having little to no experience with anything else I'm unsure how this journey will unfold/end - The time has now come for me to move some apps forward in a bigish way and I've been looking at Lianja and Alaska - My problem (I Think) is not only the App side , but I use the command window everyday to manipulate data and have done for 30 years and I'm not at all sure if I'm going to be able to do that with anything other than VFP - then there is the APP development journey too. (I'm as worried there)
I am quite comfortable that you will see those same dynamics in X#.I strip data apart with small programs on the fly, I can do this with a vast array of VFP functions, this is all very much a changing dynamic and I have to expect the unexpected. It's so quick and simple with VFP
No you not barking up the wrong tree, we will assist where we can. Just give us some examples and we will give you the necessary guidance.Given that I can't evaluate this at the moment, I can't work out if XSharp is my best option - I really want it to be - that's the issue - I can't find anything else for sure. I would be only to glad to contribute via the FOX Program but I think I need a dialogue as to what I can expect in terms of my command window work, I mean am I barking up the wrong tree?
Give us your scenario and I am sure we will come up with a plan.If anybody can help me with this I would be most grateful
Welcome aboard and happy X#ing the XBase.NET world!
Visual FoxPro forum
Welcome!
FTR, you don't need FOX to evaluate anything. The subscription gives you access to compiler source, (no humble human never will need that
) and direct support from dev. All else is open.
So, go ahead!
And, if it feels right, you certainly might join FOX to help raising the money dev needs to continue and improve X#!
Karl
FTR, you don't need FOX to evaluate anything. The subscription gives you access to compiler source, (no humble human never will need that
) and direct support from dev. All else is open. So, go ahead!
And, if it feels right, you certainly might join FOX to help raising the money dev needs to continue and improve X#!
Karl
Regards
Karl
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Karl
(on Win8.1/64, Xide32 2.19, X#2.19.0.2.)